So a majority of MP's want repeat violent offenders to continue to be released again and again to pray on the innocent. Tell me again how Canada isn't broken.
MY thought exactly Tracy; The liberals and that includes all liberals in Trudeau's government legislated this catch and release bail system because they couldn't care less about the average Canadian. As a result, crime is out of control, gun crime worse than it ever has been, as is auto theft, home invasions, and the minute someone defends themselves against these criminals, they get charged. This is so ridiculous, there isn't a word to describe this or the idiots that voted for this legislation. Sean Fraser has proven he is totally incompetent and possesses zero common sense. He allowed about 3.5 million people into the country in 3 years as immigration minister, which caused a housing crisis, a health care crisis, a homelessness crisis and crime crisis, then Trudope appoints him to the housing ministry which has been as disaster as well. We all clapped when he said he was going to quit the government ( good riddance ) and spend time with his family but then Carnage hands him the Justice ministry, to this two time loser. Only the likes of Fraser and Carney and the rest of the Trudeau liberals would vote against this new bill., by the Conservatives. You might remember the Tamara Lich spent 49 days in a jail cell for mischief, and was refused bail meanwhile drug dealers, murderers and car thieves get out the day they are charged. This country is so broken it will take decades to fix it, thanks to the Liberals.
Sean Fraser is liberal lackey idiot. The asshole first decided he wouldn't run again when it seemed guaranteed the Liberals would lose and lose badly. But then when things started looking up he was back at the gravy train. He is nothing but an opportunist and a liar and a complete incompetent all the hallmarks to qualify as a Liberal cabinet minister. He doesn't give two shits about what Canadian are dealing with and his 'this isn't the wild west' remark proved that. Because for many Canadians putting up with the crime on the streets and having to protect themselves only to find themselves being arrested... it is. Nice to look down on it from his ivory tower and own security service.
ya..we tried..well before the election..but got "the look" trying to explain to Lib neighbours that the Liberal party of Canada hasn't existed since 2015..about a month ago..one of them admitted she regrets voting for Carney..and the others are keeping pretty quiet..
I'm sure there are..but stubborn!!!...(guess they're a bit shy to admit how they were tricked..especially when we were telling them back then what Carney wud do..which is EXACTLY what he's done the past 6 months)
It started to be removed in 2015 and its virtual removal was completed before the jerk who replaced the other jerk with the weird sock fetish was sadly elected despite over ten years of more than ample evidence that Liberals should not be allowed to even run a pop stand.
Besides... One cannot used the words "Common Sense" (which has never been common) and Liberals anywhere close to each other.
Yes. With a bit more time, I think Pierre can win, as voters wise up to marx carney and his dog and pony show. However when the bloq and ndp vote alongside the lieberals, our Conservatives will need a solid majority to have any effect. They will be fighting as well the senate and judiciary - both stacked by the lieberals. Only a comprehensive, solid majority will do. If they get that majority, I feel one of the very first jobs needed, will be to gut the msm through government defunding. Let the msm either die on the vine through loss of income and voter enlightenment, or let them change their tune and actually get back to doing a semblance of honest reporting and thereby try to recover a modicum of their once held influence. I suspect there will be much dying on the vine. But this is all moot, if there is no Conservative majority. It is the same fight Trump was forced to fight for his last election and which he now seems to be handling well now.
I hope you are right Thane, but how long has it been since there was any indication of wisdom on the part of the Liberals' voters? Now we can see the other parties on the left side as well. Will their voters get wise either?
And don't forget that Carnage wants a lot more immigration - of course = voters.
All that leniency on criminals while "political dissidents" are legally persecuted. Can there be a bigger crime than disagreeing with the government???
Sounds like the Democrats in the U.S. have influenced the Lefties here - namely the opposition parties. AND, other than an election, we have no recourse for these thugs!
elections can't help Canada, they are fixed...we need to redraw the borders and leave the east from the Man. border east, to their own moronic divisive.
I'm in the East but I agree with you. The East is the citadel of the woke left but there are a few of us exposed and unprotected by the walls here, unfortunately too few to storm the citadel yet.
You are witnessing in real time the reason that Canada will not and can not survive.
Courtesy of support from the NDP and/or The Bloc (or both) Carney and his merry gang of trained brain dead seals will likely be in power for a full term.
At that point there will be nothing left of Canada to save.
I thought the NDP didn't achieve party status, so why are they even allowed to vote? Same with the Green Party. I guess the Bloc is being paid handsomely to keep the Liberals in power. They didn't see what happened to the NDP? When will Canadian politicians start serving their masters: the Canadian citizens and taxpayers? :(
Missing "official" party status removes some perks like being on committees, getting certain monetary and personnel perks and things like being allowed to bring up items during question period.
However missing official party status does not mean that they cannot vote as they were/are a day's end elected to Parliament by voters and denying voting privileges would be denying voter rights (such as they are in this messed up country).
172 (or greater) seats are required for a majority government and so with the Liberals at 169 they only require three votes from anywhere for any given piece of legislation to pass or for one they don't like to be defeated.
Almost always (not always but almost) you can count on The Bloc to vote with the Liberals if it screws up the Conservatives and/or the rest of Canada.
Same with the abomination that the NDP now is but with seven jerks only three of these clowns are required to keep things on the Liberal train rolling.
The NDP is broke and in the midst of choosing another looser to lead them so look forward to them continuing to support Carney and gang for a long time to come for, like the Liberals the NDP also hates what Canada used to be all be it for the most part for different reasons.
You have summed up the situation perfectly. There is zero chance of a non-confidence vote succeeding. But it will once again be the NDP who prop this gov't up.
With Bill C8, Bill C9 & Bill C2 being passed, effectively giving the state power of surveillance, to remove a citizen's access to the internet and cell phone and with the threat of up to life imprisonment for a social media post, the country will devolve into a repressive China-style authoritarian regime.
Yet still there are liberal morons who defend it saying if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.
The issue is they're the ones who determined exactly what "wrong" is & that is extremely dangerous as we're becoming too aware. Again, we have no recourse like they do in the States. We don't have impeachments & all our judges are appointed by....the government so they tend to go with the government rather than what is the law & our weak Constitution!
Hence, they will always be in power. People just can't seem t recognize the fact that communism has taken over. Saying they will be four years and gone is like saying Russia or China will become democratic countries.
I hope you're wrong, Will. Maybe we'll get lucky and their budget won't pass. Blanchet said the Liberal spending without consultation was "madness." The Libs will likely try to cut a closed-door deal with the Bloc. Not sure how it might happen. Libs want to challenge the "not withstanding clause" that Quebec uses every 5 years for their various constitutional infringements. We shall see.
We need Carney and the Lieberals gone but then again we needed that to happen when the thing Turdeau faked his resignation.
That did not happen.
As pointed out.. The NDP even with no official party status at 7 toadies will keep Carney and his outrageous (double booking budget) spending in power for the foreseeable future.
They are broke, owe millions and are in the midst of finding a new idiot to lead them.
They are therefore in no position to want to run against even the cesspool that is Carney and the Liberals so as Carney only needs three of the seven to keep him going.
You know that is the way it's going to be even if those of us who can see clearly know this is the worst of all possible outcomes.
He doesn't need the Bloc and, I suspect, can fully count on the NDP to prop him up.
Then again...
Definition of the WORST OF ALL POSSIBLE OUTCOMES was Carney and the Liberals being returned to power.
Hopes aside with the strong possibility of a full four years of these morons there will be absolutely nothing left of Canada for anybody to save regardless of ability.
The Bill "won't help," really! Based on what? The evidence says otherwise. Most Police forces have said so. We are being led by idiots! It's shameful that they put politics and personal ideologies ahead of Canadians' safety. Beyond all comprehension. Wake up Canada.
And he lied about the Toronto Police saying that the bail laws are supported by them.. I've read & heard them say that something needs to be done. They don't support the current law.
The Lib-Coms WANT the chaos, so that they can use it as an excuse to implement more legislation to further erode Canadian civil liberties & rights, and to give more authority, power & control to the government. (Yes, we are talking about communism, were people are highly sensored, have no rights, no food, no housing, and are all at the mercy of the government for everything). What do you think C-11, C-18, C-63, C-21, C-71, C-2 C-9 etc are all doing to us!! Wake the fuck up Canada!!!
Awe finally, some one who is on track. You have your eyes wide open, Scott. You do a better job of it than me, as I've been trying for a long time to make that point.
Sean Fraser needs to go. He's been a disaster on every position he's held in goverment, I'm not surprised the liberals & NDP voted against it as they've always favoured the criminals over victims but the Bloc surprises me. Even the police were wanting this bill to pass. We have very incompetent people running this government.
They are not incompetent. They are savvy opportunists who quickly jumped on the liberal gravy train as it was picking up a bit of speed with Carney at the helm. Sean Fraser is a prime example just like Jangeet Singh was. No kind of lie or nauseating virtue signaling seems to be off limits for them. Beyond disgraceful.
It really makes you wonder what is wrong with these people up there. they’re in their ivory tower where nobody really bothers them and if they do, there’s instant action to rectify it. the common citizens are just at the mercy of criminals, it appears, maybe that’s just my perception
Your perception is completely accurate. The people who make the rules and invent the laws are buffered from the effects. They are buffered by the ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and golden, lifetime pensions from the results of what they do. None of them live in an environment that allows crime. None of them will ever feel those effects except for the need to issue an "Our thoughts and prayers" statement the next time some innocent child is shot to death. They are a nauseating, vile example of our species.
I often wonder if their vote is against the party and not the bill. Are they too ashamed to admit they were wrong and fear agreeing would hurt the party and that could negatively affect their chances for reelection? Has Canada's political purpose become party first, the people second? What a shame that would be.
Yes, it is a shame. It is all ego and vying for political points and to heck with what Canadians want. The Liberals can't allow the Conservatives any concessions; they have to be able to say, "We did this. It was our idea." I hope all families of people who are injured or killed by repeat offenders out on bail between now and whenever the Liberals get around to passing their version of the bill, will sue the pants off the Liberal government. (Make Carney pay from the millions he's making by giving Brookfield all the government contracts -no conflict of interest, nothing to see here!)
Jaghmeet Singh chose party over country every chance he got. Same for the Lieberals and Bloc. Clearly none of them care about the safety of Canadians. Shame on every single one of them! Have they no conscience at all?
It is plain to see we have more stupid idiots in this country than common sense folk. Delaying action on this file will lead to Canadian cities becoming just like Chicago; Portland; and all the other crime ridden cesspools of the US.
I actually think that's what they want. Look at the Islamists praying in the streets & no one says anything. A preacher praying silently near an abortion clinic & boy, he's charged immediately. It's insane! But there it is. The U.S. is experiencing the same damn thing so I believe there's a conspiracy at work between the two Libs & Dems.
It is quite clear and disgusting that the Bloc, NDP and Liberals want to continue upon the path of escallting violent crime and keep the failed Liberals jail and immediate bail policies intact...These politial parties dont care at all about Canadians safety. Why is the Bloc, which is a Quebec only political party, and does not have any Bloc candidates in any other provinces, even allowed to participate in federal politics?..That is an affront to democracy and outrageous to the rest of Canadian voters...
So a majority of MP's want repeat violent offenders to continue to be released again and again to pray on the innocent. Tell me again how Canada isn't broken.
Our system and morons who voted against this conservative C-242 are corrupt and idiots. Time to drain the swamp.
Why vote for something that would be positive for Canada and Canadians?
That would be something that those 3 parties have proven again.
They actually hate Canada and Canadians.
I'm starting to see a referendum succeding
sad to see what's happening in Canada
Sure is
MY thought exactly Tracy; The liberals and that includes all liberals in Trudeau's government legislated this catch and release bail system because they couldn't care less about the average Canadian. As a result, crime is out of control, gun crime worse than it ever has been, as is auto theft, home invasions, and the minute someone defends themselves against these criminals, they get charged. This is so ridiculous, there isn't a word to describe this or the idiots that voted for this legislation. Sean Fraser has proven he is totally incompetent and possesses zero common sense. He allowed about 3.5 million people into the country in 3 years as immigration minister, which caused a housing crisis, a health care crisis, a homelessness crisis and crime crisis, then Trudope appoints him to the housing ministry which has been as disaster as well. We all clapped when he said he was going to quit the government ( good riddance ) and spend time with his family but then Carnage hands him the Justice ministry, to this two time loser. Only the likes of Fraser and Carney and the rest of the Trudeau liberals would vote against this new bill., by the Conservatives. You might remember the Tamara Lich spent 49 days in a jail cell for mischief, and was refused bail meanwhile drug dealers, murderers and car thieves get out the day they are charged. This country is so broken it will take decades to fix it, thanks to the Liberals.
Well said Terry
Sean Fraser is liberal lackey idiot. The asshole first decided he wouldn't run again when it seemed guaranteed the Liberals would lose and lose badly. But then when things started looking up he was back at the gravy train. He is nothing but an opportunist and a liar and a complete incompetent all the hallmarks to qualify as a Liberal cabinet minister. He doesn't give two shits about what Canadian are dealing with and his 'this isn't the wild west' remark proved that. Because for many Canadians putting up with the crime on the streets and having to protect themselves only to find themselves being arrested... it is. Nice to look down on it from his ivory tower and own security service.
Leaches
The word is "leeches" and the left is sucking the lifeblood out of our once beautiful country.
Referring to Liberals as leeches is a derogatory term that is offensive to leeches.
Well said, Jim
Well, that's what the easterners wanted. So now they can keep it and live with it.
Unfortunately, it's the rest of us who have to "put up" with the crimes. Yes, I'm thinking I'm voting - YES!! We're stupid if we don't.
I'm an easterner and I am disgusted by all this.
Well you have live with your neighbors, who voted for it. Sorry! Maybe you could educate those neighbors.
ya..we tried..well before the election..but got "the look" trying to explain to Lib neighbours that the Liberal party of Canada hasn't existed since 2015..about a month ago..one of them admitted she regrets voting for Carney..and the others are keeping pretty quiet..
Good show Don. I would hope there are a lot more than what the silly polls are saying.
I'm sure there are..but stubborn!!!...(guess they're a bit shy to admit how they were tricked..especially when we were telling them back then what Carney wud do..which is EXACTLY what he's done the past 6 months)
As the expression goes, 'Know thine enemy.'. Speaking as a patriotic Canadian, I guess we know who is whom, don't we? Election Now.
Thane are we all living in a nightmare because this can’t be true. Where has common sense gone.
Gone..
Finished..
No more..
It started to be removed in 2015 and its virtual removal was completed before the jerk who replaced the other jerk with the weird sock fetish was sadly elected despite over ten years of more than ample evidence that Liberals should not be allowed to even run a pop stand.
Besides... One cannot used the words "Common Sense" (which has never been common) and Liberals anywhere close to each other.
No more common sense. Hasn't been for some time
With all the money and power of the leftwing, including the media, I am not confident that Pierre can win the next election. I hope I am wrong.
Yes. With a bit more time, I think Pierre can win, as voters wise up to marx carney and his dog and pony show. However when the bloq and ndp vote alongside the lieberals, our Conservatives will need a solid majority to have any effect. They will be fighting as well the senate and judiciary - both stacked by the lieberals. Only a comprehensive, solid majority will do. If they get that majority, I feel one of the very first jobs needed, will be to gut the msm through government defunding. Let the msm either die on the vine through loss of income and voter enlightenment, or let them change their tune and actually get back to doing a semblance of honest reporting and thereby try to recover a modicum of their once held influence. I suspect there will be much dying on the vine. But this is all moot, if there is no Conservative majority. It is the same fight Trump was forced to fight for his last election and which he now seems to be handling well now.
I hope you are right Thane, but how long has it been since there was any indication of wisdom on the part of the Liberals' voters? Now we can see the other parties on the left side as well. Will their voters get wise either?
And don't forget that Carnage wants a lot more immigration - of course = voters.
Agreed Barry.
All that leniency on criminals while "political dissidents" are legally persecuted. Can there be a bigger crime than disagreeing with the government???
Apparently not.
Sounds like the Democrats in the U.S. have influenced the Lefties here - namely the opposition parties. AND, other than an election, we have no recourse for these thugs!
elections can't help Canada, they are fixed...we need to redraw the borders and leave the east from the Man. border east, to their own moronic divisive.
I'm in the East but I agree with you. The East is the citadel of the woke left but there are a few of us exposed and unprotected by the walls here, unfortunately too few to storm the citadel yet.
we welcome true hard working Canadian conservatives in the west!
If I were younger I would consider it seriously. As is, I'm visiting once in a while.
We need these power=grasping Liberals OUT.
You are witnessing in real time the reason that Canada will not and can not survive.
Courtesy of support from the NDP and/or The Bloc (or both) Carney and his merry gang of trained brain dead seals will likely be in power for a full term.
At that point there will be nothing left of Canada to save.
I thought the NDP didn't achieve party status, so why are they even allowed to vote? Same with the Green Party. I guess the Bloc is being paid handsomely to keep the Liberals in power. They didn't see what happened to the NDP? When will Canadian politicians start serving their masters: the Canadian citizens and taxpayers? :(
Missing "official" party status removes some perks like being on committees, getting certain monetary and personnel perks and things like being allowed to bring up items during question period.
However missing official party status does not mean that they cannot vote as they were/are a day's end elected to Parliament by voters and denying voting privileges would be denying voter rights (such as they are in this messed up country).
172 (or greater) seats are required for a majority government and so with the Liberals at 169 they only require three votes from anywhere for any given piece of legislation to pass or for one they don't like to be defeated.
Almost always (not always but almost) you can count on The Bloc to vote with the Liberals if it screws up the Conservatives and/or the rest of Canada.
Same with the abomination that the NDP now is but with seven jerks only three of these clowns are required to keep things on the Liberal train rolling.
The NDP is broke and in the midst of choosing another looser to lead them so look forward to them continuing to support Carney and gang for a long time to come for, like the Liberals the NDP also hates what Canada used to be all be it for the most part for different reasons.
You have summed up the situation perfectly. There is zero chance of a non-confidence vote succeeding. But it will once again be the NDP who prop this gov't up.
With Bill C8, Bill C9 & Bill C2 being passed, effectively giving the state power of surveillance, to remove a citizen's access to the internet and cell phone and with the threat of up to life imprisonment for a social media post, the country will devolve into a repressive China-style authoritarian regime.
Yet still there are liberal morons who defend it saying if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.
The issue is they're the ones who determined exactly what "wrong" is & that is extremely dangerous as we're becoming too aware. Again, we have no recourse like they do in the States. We don't have impeachments & all our judges are appointed by....the government so they tend to go with the government rather than what is the law & our weak Constitution!
And the lieberal commies decide what the wrongs are.
All elected MPs get to vote. Party statice just means they will get funds from the public piggy bank for their party.
Hence, they will always be in power. People just can't seem t recognize the fact that communism has taken over. Saying they will be four years and gone is like saying Russia or China will become democratic countries.
I hope you're wrong, Will. Maybe we'll get lucky and their budget won't pass. Blanchet said the Liberal spending without consultation was "madness." The Libs will likely try to cut a closed-door deal with the Bloc. Not sure how it might happen. Libs want to challenge the "not withstanding clause" that Quebec uses every 5 years for their various constitutional infringements. We shall see.
We need Carney and the Lieberals gone but then again we needed that to happen when the thing Turdeau faked his resignation.
That did not happen.
As pointed out.. The NDP even with no official party status at 7 toadies will keep Carney and his outrageous (double booking budget) spending in power for the foreseeable future.
They are broke, owe millions and are in the midst of finding a new idiot to lead them.
They are therefore in no position to want to run against even the cesspool that is Carney and the Liberals so as Carney only needs three of the seven to keep him going.
You know that is the way it's going to be even if those of us who can see clearly know this is the worst of all possible outcomes.
He doesn't need the Bloc and, I suspect, can fully count on the NDP to prop him up.
Then again...
Definition of the WORST OF ALL POSSIBLE OUTCOMES was Carney and the Liberals being returned to power.
Hopes aside with the strong possibility of a full four years of these morons there will be absolutely nothing left of Canada for anybody to save regardless of ability.
The Bill "won't help," really! Based on what? The evidence says otherwise. Most Police forces have said so. We are being led by idiots! It's shameful that they put politics and personal ideologies ahead of Canadians' safety. Beyond all comprehension. Wake up Canada.
And he lied about the Toronto Police saying that the bail laws are supported by them.. I've read & heard them say that something needs to be done. They don't support the current law.
The Lib-Coms WANT the chaos, so that they can use it as an excuse to implement more legislation to further erode Canadian civil liberties & rights, and to give more authority, power & control to the government. (Yes, we are talking about communism, were people are highly sensored, have no rights, no food, no housing, and are all at the mercy of the government for everything). What do you think C-11, C-18, C-63, C-21, C-71, C-2 C-9 etc are all doing to us!! Wake the fuck up Canada!!!
Awe finally, some one who is on track. You have your eyes wide open, Scott. You do a better job of it than me, as I've been trying for a long time to make that point.
Sean Fraser needs to go. He's been a disaster on every position he's held in goverment, I'm not surprised the liberals & NDP voted against it as they've always favoured the criminals over victims but the Bloc surprises me. Even the police were wanting this bill to pass. We have very incompetent people running this government.
They are not incompetent. They are savvy opportunists who quickly jumped on the liberal gravy train as it was picking up a bit of speed with Carney at the helm. Sean Fraser is a prime example just like Jangeet Singh was. No kind of lie or nauseating virtue signaling seems to be off limits for them. Beyond disgraceful.
It really makes you wonder what is wrong with these people up there. they’re in their ivory tower where nobody really bothers them and if they do, there’s instant action to rectify it. the common citizens are just at the mercy of criminals, it appears, maybe that’s just my perception
Your perception is completely accurate. The people who make the rules and invent the laws are buffered from the effects. They are buffered by the ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and golden, lifetime pensions from the results of what they do. None of them live in an environment that allows crime. None of them will ever feel those effects except for the need to issue an "Our thoughts and prayers" statement the next time some innocent child is shot to death. They are a nauseating, vile example of our species.
Your perception is bang on....👍..oh..on an unrelated matter..is ivory combustible ??
How inept is this; they truly don’t care about our safety at all. They are monsters participating in our demise.
I often wonder if their vote is against the party and not the bill. Are they too ashamed to admit they were wrong and fear agreeing would hurt the party and that could negatively affect their chances for reelection? Has Canada's political purpose become party first, the people second? What a shame that would be.
Yes, it is a shame. It is all ego and vying for political points and to heck with what Canadians want. The Liberals can't allow the Conservatives any concessions; they have to be able to say, "We did this. It was our idea." I hope all families of people who are injured or killed by repeat offenders out on bail between now and whenever the Liberals get around to passing their version of the bill, will sue the pants off the Liberal government. (Make Carney pay from the millions he's making by giving Brookfield all the government contracts -no conflict of interest, nothing to see here!)
That's exactly it - party is ALWAYS first; Canadians aren't even in view.
Jaghmeet Singh chose party over country every chance he got. Same for the Lieberals and Bloc. Clearly none of them care about the safety of Canadians. Shame on every single one of them! Have they no conscience at all?
So much for "working together and collaborating to work for Canadians", as the Liberals are fond of accusing the Conservatives of not doing.
Nothing will change until MP’s and Judges are personally affected by their own decisions.
It is plain to see we have more stupid idiots in this country than common sense folk. Delaying action on this file will lead to Canadian cities becoming just like Chicago; Portland; and all the other crime ridden cesspools of the US.
I actually think that's what they want. Look at the Islamists praying in the streets & no one says anything. A preacher praying silently near an abortion clinic & boy, he's charged immediately. It's insane! But there it is. The U.S. is experiencing the same damn thing so I believe there's a conspiracy at work between the two Libs & Dems.
It is quite clear and disgusting that the Bloc, NDP and Liberals want to continue upon the path of escallting violent crime and keep the failed Liberals jail and immediate bail policies intact...These politial parties dont care at all about Canadians safety. Why is the Bloc, which is a Quebec only political party, and does not have any Bloc candidates in any other provinces, even allowed to participate in federal politics?..That is an affront to democracy and outrageous to the rest of Canadian voters...