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Robert Angus's avatar

Just curious. Does this ban apply to the indigenous?

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ThinkforYourself's avatar

Doubtful. They are a privileged class.

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Laura Jean's avatar

Please don't fall for the propaganda that is now attempting to turn people against indigenous people. We did not ask to be treated as "special" or "privileged". This is government perspective manipulation to further divide Canadians.

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Robert Angus's avatar

Wrong. They certainly have demanded to be treated as "special" or "privileged". There are literally hundreds of lawsuits to prove it.

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Laura Jean's avatar

There is a difference between demanding due respect and reconciliation of historical government overreach and feeling privileged ...Our way of being conforms to "natural law" and reflects our homeland's inherent value. Our insistence on respect for that is not privilege. It is our human right.

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Robert Angus's avatar

So, it is "natural law" that allows indigenous to hunt and fish without licenses and not allow other Canadians the same rights and to be treated differently under the law. And to demand special consideration for consultation on government policy. The nobility in England used to make the same type of claims based on the same type of foundation that "they were special".

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Laura Jean's avatar

This is not England and we are not nobility. This is our only home land. We share it with others. We did not give it to them

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Laura Jean's avatar

Trying to impose European "laws" in our homeland will of course be met with the same indignance as a recent immigrant trying to impose Sharia law on the current Canadian populace.

Natural law would dictate that if we over hunt, over fish, or otherwise recklessly "extract" so called "resources" that the natural balance that keeps us all alive will be destroyed.

Settler law applies to settlers.. refusing to assimilate is not privilege.

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Lisa Boyd's avatar

Im sorry but when the indigenous start demanding the closing of parks and lake areas, you are proven to be incorrect.

Fort Langley BC has a native subdivision that has a guard and a gate. If you are not indigenous YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED IN. What would you call that? Take a look at the Joffres lake situation.

What would the indigenous do if the white man locked them out of an area?

The indigenous go around demanding thdir land back. Tgey seem ti forget that their elders signed a TREATY!!

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Laura Jean's avatar

I don't know about that specific situation as I live in Ontario.

"The indigenous" rather "those people-ish" don't you think?

If someone stole your watch would you not take it back? And lock it away from those who stole it.

Treaty is a two sided agreement. Both sides must conform to make it valid.

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ThinkforYourself's avatar

I acknowledge your point, as it confirms the theory that globalists who impose the woke agenda don't care about the marginal groups, such as Aboriginal or trans but are using them to drive a wedge in society, to demoralize and divide us as part of the larger agenda of ideological subversion as outlined by KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. Towards that end, the globalist Lefists running Halifax and the province have allowed a native play to go in a public park while banning everyone else: "Mi’kmaw play proceeds in Halifax park as Nova Scotia bans hiking, fishing in forests" (https://www.westernstandard.news/atlantic/mikmaw-play-proceeds-in-halifax-park-as-nova-scotia-bans-hiking-fishing-in-forests/) and a Leftist judge in BC rules that private property land that homeowners bought and paid for may in fact belong to natives if it is unceded land. You can expect the same thing in for all of NS, which is unceded. Suddenly, the virtue-signalling land acknowledgment went from harmless nonsense to a serious threat to property owners (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/b-c-supreme-court-takes-an-axe-to-private-property-rights). As I said, divide and conquer, using native groups to drive the wedge, whether they want it or not.

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Laura Jean's avatar

Thank you. Correct.

Divide polarize disorder chaos. All part of the plan to perpetuate disorder and keep everyone angry or frightened

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Lisa Boyd's avatar

Excellent question!

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Larry Simpson's avatar

And the homeless?

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Franz Kafka's avatar

And the innocent?

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Donald/Raelene Bell's avatar

I bet not

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Tracy Matts's avatar

Nope

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gordon Ballard's avatar

Here we go again woke politicians telling the population what is best for them, they are like sheep follow the leader regardless of whether or not it makes sense, this requires major pushback there ways and means to address these issues in a sensible way, in this case a simple fire ban which is just plain common sense we do not need petty politicians making these Stalin types of rules and laws!

It is reministic of the truckers convoy when Trudeau invoked the war measures act and froze bank accounts which was totally unconstitutional, yet the prosecutors are still pursuing it because they will not admit it was wrong. Two people are still being prosecuted due to this, yet murderers and rapists get off , this whole system needs major reform!

Robin the Rebel

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Eva Smillie's avatar

Interesting fact: the freezing of the bank accounts during the Freedom Convoy, was Mark Carney's idea. Guy is sneaky, dangerous, & generally uncaring about anything Canadian.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

The fact that Turd-O got away with that made this inevitable.

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A R Chamberlain's avatar

Persecuted not prosecuted!!! Too unbelievable for words. And here we go again…total control is their aim.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Throughout Canadian history there have been forest fires. Guilbeault renamed them "Wildfires" as more and more people appeared from somewhere doing arson.

The People were never before banned from forests.

Until there was a succession of Liberal Governments who are devoted to creating the illusion of Climate Change and Net Zero. And the destruction of democracy and good governance.

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Ray Anderson's avatar

I'm thinking the bureaucrat that deemed this necessary has never stepped outside of their concrete jungle and is terrified that the big bad wolf might get them. We are ruled by those of irrational fear.

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Bill's avatar

Actually I think their fear is quite rational. The way this country is going it is a matter of time before a backlash comes.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

The seriously defective-looking person who did this looks like he should be institutionalized.

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Dennis Cross's avatar

So, does that mean that the work on Oak Island must stop?

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ThinkforYourself's avatar

I live in Nova Scotia. I used the trails daily to walk dogs. This is what I wrote to my MLA. You will find her response below.

I am writing to object to the trail closures. This seems to be a case of government overreach that makes no sense. Yes, we are in a drought, but dog-walking or hiking on a trail poses no risk of starting a wildfire. I regularly use trails for dog walking. Closing trails makes no sense at all. The provincial government has gone too far in this case. People in this county are responsible adults and don't need the government to tell them not to start fires. They know that.

This reminds me of the Houston government's ban on protesting on bridges a few years ago, which also made headlines. That also went too far and was unconstitutional, and was not worthy of a conservative government.

I think the Houston government has done some good things, but this is not one of them, and it's in the news for a reason: it's a ridiculous move by the province. A ban on backyard fires and campfires makes sense, but not this. It sets a dangerous precedent for more authoritarian lockdowns, bans, fines, and snitch lines to come in the name of "climate change." It is a slippery slope, normalizing lockdowns.

It appears to me to be the start of an incremental slide towards state authoritarianism, making NS unlivable. What is next? Will there next be a ban on cars? Will people be fined for using air conditioners or eating meat? Once this kind of thing starts, there's no end to it. Individual liberties and freedoms, the cornerstone of the West, will be replaced with endless regulations and fines imposed by petty tyrants and apparatchiks.

It's my hope that you will speak out in favour of your constituents who regularly use the trails. It's one of the reasons many of us moved here from other places to enjoy the wilderness. And it is my hope that you will take a stand against government overreach in the name of "climate justice." I am all for environmentalism, but not at the expense of individual liberties, especially when the abrogation of those liberties makes no scientific or rational sense and just seems to be a power grab by the state.

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Response by PC (in name only) MLA:

Thank you for taking the time to write with your objections to the woods travel ban. It is certainly a measure I could not have imagined only a few years ago. It's also not something the Premier takes lightly. Like you, I enjoy the woods, especially this time of year. And I think you are right that the vast majority of walkers and hikers would most likely conduct themselves appropriately, and safely, in the woods. The problem is what to do about those who would not.

As a province, we don't have the ability to station someone at every trailhead and if we did, how would we be able to judge people's intentions? We could ask if they have cigarettes or a lighter on them. I'm sure smokers would take great umbrage and assure us they know how to smoke without lighting the woods on fire -- and that too might be true for the most part.

However, NS history shows that most of our forest and wildfires start due to a human-related cause. This is a bit different than other provinces, where lightning strikes can be a significant contributor. Also, right now, firefighting resources in Atlantic Canada are greatly strained by the fires in Newfoundland and New Brunswick.

During our historic fires in 2023, Nova Scotia relied on Newfoundland for its big water bombers. At the time, I would have said yes, let's buy a bomber, would have signed off on virtually whatever it took financially. However, overall, the shared resource model has worked for Atlantic Canada to this point. With climate change, that may not be the case going forward. We may need to invest in additional equipment like bombers or create more paid positions for firefighters (right now, many Newfoundland firefighters are using their vacation time or foregoing their paid work to fight fires there). But at this moment in time, facing an historic drought, tinder-dry woods and raging fires in our neighbouring provinces, a ban on woods travel was the recommendation of Natural Resources personnel and the Premier agreed.

I do not believe this is the thin edge of the wedge; i.e. the start of routine infringements on personal freedoms. However, I do commit to being watchful of that phenomena and speaking out when I believe such actions are unwarranted.

Again, I sincerely thank you for reaching out.

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My thoughts on this:

There are two internationally mocked developments from Houston's government in as many months: trans surgeries on minors and draconian trail closures. You just know Houston will be on board with medical tyranny as well, next time around. He is no different than the NDP at this point.

This is a slippery slope to worse things in the name of climate mitigation, and already, the 15-minute city is on the table for NS planners and municipalities, and could happen in the future. The climate tyrants also want to ban gasoline vehicles and, ultimately, pets. As the saying goes, you are the carbon they want to eliminate.

I believe it will happen incrementally in the name of public safety. Droughts have been happening off and on in NS forever. It's nothing new but the government and media seem eager to blame it on human activity and on that basis, implement draconian measures.

It makes me sad that Canadians are so easily deceived and misled. There is something in the Canadian psyche that is too naive and passive. We have never experienced real tyranny, so Canadians think the government is on their side.

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A conservative friend of mine commented: Disappointing, but not unexpected from a member of the government. He addressed the MLA's points as follows:

The MLA writes, "It is certainly a measure I could not have imagined only a few years ago." Wow, there's a revealing statement. During the COVID lockdowns she couldn’t image the government doing more lockdowns? Now that she’s had two clear examples of the government locking people down or out, I wonder what she can imagine is coming next. Or maybe she now sees climate change as a bigger emergency than she thought a few years ago. That, in my opinion will not bode well for her next decisions regarding whatever other perceived emergencies might come up in the next few years.

MLA: “The problem is what to do about those who would not.”

Comment: Yes, that’s right. That’s the fundamental problem in the collectivist mindset. What do you do with those who don’t agree?

MLA: “NS history shows that most of our forest and wildfires start due to a human-related cause.”

Comment: Really, is that actually true or is that just her perception. I wish I had the statistics at my fingertips.

MLA: "This is a bit different than other provinces, where lightning strikes can be a significant contributor.”

Comment: Not sure what this means. Does it mean that if lightning strikes were the main cause, we wouldn’t be banning people from the woods? Again, I don’t know the statistics.

MLA: “During our historic fires in 2023 … I would have said yes, let's buy a bomber, would have signed off on virtually whatever it took financially.”

Comment: Yes, driven by the fear of loss of security she is willing to do whatever it takes … and probably more than just financially. There it is again the religion of safety over all else.

MLA: “recommendation of Natural Resources personnel”

Comment: we should always trust the experts all the time? We don’t have any evidence not to trust them do we? [sarcasm]

MLA: “I do not believe this is the thin edge of the wedge; i.e. the start of routine infringements on personal freedoms.”

Comment: You’re a Canadian who doesn’t even know what the small beginnings of tyranny smell like.

MLA: “I do commit to being watchful of that phenomena and speaking out when I believe such actions are unwarranted.”

Comment: But, you do believe that such actions are warranted right now don’t you Susan. That does not give us confidence in you as a line of defense.

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A R Chamberlain's avatar

Excellent!!!

I had heard from a resident in the area of the 2023 fire it was started by a backyard fire of a resident.

Really, ban people from walking.

We are well on our way with governments and woke to total control, God help us all!!! People had better WAKE UP!!!

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Thanks. That was brilliant. Although in dealing with the tyranny in Oddawa I try to always remember the words: "Do not cast pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you."

You have effectively exposed is the herd of Gadarene swine who now have almost complete power over us, ruling by decree through proxies of the Palace luxuriating before the Ford family fireplace in Muskoka. "All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others." G Orwell, Animal Farm.

Parliament is essentially toothless (dentistry by Trudeau) and now dissolved - de facto - by Dr Meat, formerly of the foremost money-laundering institution on the planet - The Bank of England.

What this MLA , your correspondent, clearly wants is the Panopticon - A GULAG for all.

It is always the Final Solution for the human race by psychopaths and satanists.

For them human beings are not a solution and not a part of nature. They are the problem and a cancer on the planet.

Prince Flip, father of King of Canada, Chuck Floppy Ears, once said that he "would like to come back [after his death] as a virus."

This is the level of satanism that we are now being subjected to.

I am afraid that this is now existential for the human race.

It has become a question of "Us" or "Them".

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Terry Mains's avatar

Well Prince Flip was a moron; and he fathered a moron; Prince Flip was a member of the Club of Rome which was a band of wealthy people who started the climate change hoax, which was later taken up by the United Nations for their goal of global governance. His son Chuck Floppy Ears got into the global warming hoax and stated in 2008 that the world had 108 months to do something about climate change or it would be too late to do anything. Every year he kept counting the months left before his tipping point arrived and when it did, he moved the goal posts, his tipping point, to 2050, decades later. Who could ever take these people seriously... and now he is our King?

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Canada is about to become a Colony with a bright future… behind it. Too bad it never made it to nationhood. Perhaps some of the constituent entities/colonies, like Quebec and Alberta will make it to statehood within a federation, as a part of the USA. Those who resist that, perhaps not ideal, idea are haters and the enemies of the Canadian dream, which, alas, the population will never wake up to.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Canadians are now all deemed guilty of being arsonists. That is what this arbitrary measure with tyrannical overtones means. Guilty until proven guilty.

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edward's avatar

Piss on the damned CYSTem...I will walk on my own property and the bastards can suck farts out of dead seagulls.

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Vicki's avatar

Thanks goodness our early explorers did not have to worry about Nannies and tattle tails.

"In 1789, Alexander Mackenzie made his historic trip up the Mackenzie River from Lake Athabasca to the Arctic Ocean. What I remember most from reading his diaries was how often he mentions wildfires consuming forests on either side of the river..." "..arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson described a similar scene in his book The Friendly Arctic about his expedition to the Canadian Arctic from 1913 - 1916. ' I have seen forest fires in the Canadian Northwest that were burning over an area of hundreds of square miles.' " ( Julius Ruechel: Plunderers of the Earth ).

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Did he (Mackenzie) say Forest Fires or Wildfires? Guilbeault calls them 'Wildfires" to avoid suspicion falling on him and the tyranny he serves.

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Vicki's avatar

I quoted from page 120 of Plunderers of the Earth.

One can assume from reading the entire book that these naturally occurring fires had nothing to do with modern day climate change hysterics.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Nor did they have anything to do with the Climate Change conspiracy (formerly known as the Global Warming conspiracy). The name was changed to protect the guilty and confuse the innocents.

Still, a study of the conspiratorial use of the word "wildfires" (And of the addition of "...of Climate Change" to the former Ministry of the Environment) by persons in the Governorate of Canada would be very useful.

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Connie Samson's avatar

Thank goodness for Juno News.

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Simon Bremmer's avatar

15 minute cities here i come.

Permit required if you need to pee.

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Simon Bremmer's avatar

People there should gather by the thousands and ignore the idiot ban and go on mass hikes

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Philip Joseph's avatar

It is not reasonable, it is egregious government overreach, unCanadian and quite stupid.

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Maxwell's avatar

Do Indians still start fires to send out smoke signals

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Robin Scott's avatar

Just guarantee that woods walkers will pay all firefighter's wages.

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Keith Washington's avatar

Brilliant! Maybe require a million dollar bond be posted prior to walking.

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Paul T.'s avatar

As we can't trust a lot of people today, we all must suffer. Posting a bond is a good idea...

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Keith Washington's avatar

I was kidding.

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Anne Legace-Gagnier's avatar

Coming up with a total forest ban seems so short sighted and over kill. What I don’t understand is why the government did not ask for expert opinions on a dry season and fire prevention. Common sense says you need a PR campaign that targets causes like camp fire practices and cigarette butt tossing. This is not new as the bear ads are famous. Forestry management seems a logical step and a relook at this practice is necessary. What about the arson level of fires and how this is being dealt with. More people in the forests seems like a better idea so to keep an eye on things. Government just seems lazy and incompetent when they just cut off use of forests completely. Blind obedience is unhelpful and reflects on a stupidity compliant population. This further creates huge divides in our population. Government needs to start working harder and earning their pay. Dumb ass moves that this show no leadership or educational investment in possible options.

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