Andrew Roman writes, "In the end, Canadians have to decide which risks they’re willing to take, trusting imperfect politicians, or letting imperfect judges have the last word."
This is a Big shocker. Ottawa is attacking Quebec. And it is a shocker that Ottawa is trying to force this issue, at this time. Liberals are a minority, and Canada has other priorities. Clearly, Ottawa is not controlled by people who want Canada to be successful, rather Canada is controlled by people who want slow mass immigration, controlled economic decline, and gradual destruction of the Canadian society. If the S court does not respect the provinces rights under the constitution, then Canada is done.
Joe. I am 84 and lived in 7 of the 10 and I have a problem and perhaps you can give me some advice.
- I do not want the Feds to have any more power over our lives. Their bungling and trying to jam a country as complex as Canada into a shoe box of their making. Trudeau has done irreparable damage to the country.
- This fellow Carney is faced with the task of trying to make some sense out of this circus. We have a collection of differing political factions and
groups all with legal positions that are so far at odds with each other that I doubt they can be made to work if they stay. the same. We have Mr. Eby in BC who will not allow pipelines, tankers off the coast, We have Ms. Smith in Alberta who is completely opposed to the position of Mr. Eby, we have Mr. Moe who is aligned with Ms SMith, we have Mr. Ford and I have no idea what he is doing then we have our friends in the East who have t heir own agenda and political power. then to top it all off we have many many native groups all different again with heredity Chiefs and Elected Chiefs all different.
-All of these groups can and do maintain a virtual veto and our Canada is for all intent ungovernable.
I do not want the Feds to have more power but on the other hand I do not want each and ever fiefdom to stymie the development of our country.
Carny is part of the problem. He has not done much to help Canada. Eleven trips to get a trade deal and nothing to show for it. He was Trudeau’s advisor and helped create this mess.
Yes Lorne. It is something that I have been pondering over for a long time, like many others. I try to see through what we see in the news reports of here and the world. And what relation they have to this country. But mostly what is going on with the Feds. And what I see is sickening. When I make comments on here, I do it to try to pry people's eye's open to where we are standing, as to what I believe. No one has to except my points of view. but i won't hurt you to maybe ponder over them. And thanks for the statement Lorne. By the way, I'm 78.
I suspect a back room deal in the making. Carney need Quebec to pass his budget. There must be a work around “Quebec is a country on its own” or so they keep reminding us. They don’t have to accept the Supreme Court decision?
No, he doesn’t need Quebec, all he needs are the NDP and the Green vote which is virtually guaranteed. The NDP can’t afford an election and are leaderless. The green cow will vote with the WEF.
The NDP is a socialist party, so OF COURSE they'll support the leftist Liberals! The ultimate goal of Carney's WEF pals is world domination with socialist governance and citizens under TOTALITARIAN RULE. The wealthy globalist ONE PERCENT want the world as their oyster and the rest of us peasants under 24-7 surveillance and financial enslavement. If you haven't read the Cloward-Piven Strategy NOW is the time to do so.
Over the centuries, our justice system has evolved. We, the people, were supposed to be protected by the system and for the most part, we have been. Unfortunately, the political elites have found that inconvenient and are trying to change it. If we the people do not trust the most basic of protection, what are we to do?
That i fear is what has to happen. Not that I want it too , but then maybe, yes maybe the constitution will change for the better of all citizens of Canada, not the elect few!
Not going to happen. Did you not see what the lieberals are doing in the Supreme Court. They are already trying to change the constitution in their favor, taking authority away from the provinces.
I certainly hope that Smith can endure. But, I feel we aren't moving fast enough. I have no hope for a federal election soon. And even if there was I have no faith in the CPC making government. Any election is already bought and paid for, by our tax dollars.
It’s time for the provinces to stand together & stop this madness, they need to unite against Ottawa! Enough is Enough or a revolution of the people will happen & so it should! Fed up with Ottawa , I think there are enough Canadians who are willing to fight back! Justice & Judges in this country are a disgrace !
EBY & FORD = Carney's lapdogs. Both provinces under CCP influence/control. Sam Cooper's THE BUREAU has a plethora of fact based evidence proving the latter.
The same judges that think we have a charter right to bike lanes. What's next? Charter rights to free busses? Free food? Free citizenship? Free willy? Ridiculous.
These short sited liberals would cry like bitches if the courts overturned their laws.
Sean Fraser is an idiot. He screwed up immigration, housing and now he wants to wreck the one part of the charter that protects us from turds like him.
The Chief Justice describes his Supreme Court as “The most progressive in the world”. He thinks that is a compliment. That is frightening. No, the notwithstanding clause is the only thing we have left to protect ourselves against an increasingly activist elitist court that is out of touch with the thinking of most Canadians
This also has to be a case of obvious conflict of interest. The SCC is one of the courts, if not the most affected, by the Notwithstanding Clause. How can they be allowed to rule on limiting it or even effectively nullifying it? The various levels of government need to do something to prevent them having any say. There needs to a people's organization that stops the SCC from involvement. Oh, we have one, called Parliament and various legislatures that signed the Constitution. But we actually need something better, more direct.
As the article states we don't really have much of a democracy in Canada. Once a party gets elected they can do pretty much whatever they want. They as well need to be severely limited in what they do. For any major things, like recognizing a state, raising taxes, signing treaties, spending tax dollar buying pipelines, they should have to get direct permission from the people, issue by issue.
Nice idea, but not going to happen. As it is far to late for that now that we are under a communist rule regime. The full force is coming down, hang onto or wallet and your gun, if you have one.
You mean a referendum for every important issue? That would be more democratic than the present system when it seems that a MP's role is more to represent the party to their constituents than representing their constituents to the party/government, when a MP has to vote along party line. Political parties might have killed democracy.
Many years ago a member of Parliament voted on a topic against the party line after discussing with his constituents. I think his name was Francis Regardless he was moved to the back bench by the party leader now obscure He tried and failed Maybe if there was no party designation all members independent and bring your constituents wishes to the floor then vote most votes wins Would that work?? maybe in theory
If every MP were independent, they would have to work for their constituents. It would definitely be more democratic. It would be more difficult to choose a PM and Cabinet, however politic would likely be more honest. How does it work in Nunavut?
Pretty much. We have enough laws, taxes, regulations, fees as is that to just run what is there should be easy. But if you want to make major changes, give away land, taxpayers money to companies, groups or other countries, sign treaties, then go direct to the people or you're not allowed. Don't care if it takes years. Almost nothing needs to be done in a big hurry anymore.
MANY government employees in high positions have Law degrees. They're the 'favoured' ones as they provide all the litigation research and advice when BILLS and ACTS are being written for approval. I'm certain most citizen's are unaware of this.
Why do we need a Federal Government ? They take from Conservative Provinces money, to give money to Non-Conservative Provinces for favours & re-elected. Creating Welfare dependance instead of working .
A big move for a takeover by the WEF. The backfire is the breakup of Canada. Our Supremes are the equivilent of the mallahs in Iran. They dress funny and proclaim reality to be stood on it's head. If this passes, it's over. Canada will be history.
Let the taxpayers decide by ballot rather than allowing any politicians or judges to decide on what will affect the people but have little repercussions on the politicians or the judges
Once again one of our so called supreme leaders trying to destroy the rights of the people by using the courts to back up Liberal ideas of more control! The Liberals have caused enough damage to Canada and it is time to replace them and their ideas of total control of every citizen and democracy!
The lieberals and their judges are out to close the loop holes for their communist regime. You will obey, and you will be happy. The con man knows when to push, when he has a majority. The CPC will always be sitting in the opposition side, as they have no know how or the guts to do what needs doing to save this busted landscape. And so the lieberals will live happily ever after. Their plan is near completion.
Canadians made a huge mistake in the last election. People did not do their due diligence before casting a vote for Carny. They just listened to Carny and the CBC. Both constantly sang the praises of Carny and people were tired of JT. We will pay the price now.
Yes you canadians made a mistake, or should I say you were brain washed. But the western provinces did not make a mistake, nor were brain washed. But as always the canadians hold the voting power. And we are forced to go along for the ride.
If the SCC strikes down the Notwithstanding, 5 provinces will start the process to leave confederation. This clause is a foundation of our charter and the provinces should have been consulted, not the SCC. AB is already passing a Bill 1, which gives them the right to not enforce any federal law they judge is detrimental to the AB charter of rights and freedom. Good for them!
This liberal gov't has been trying to censor speech just as Britain does with penalties of prison, huge fines or even losing access to the internet and cell phones. WHO the hell do these authoritarian mediocre (being generous!) officials think they are? Way too much over-reach and power. This is about much more than QC's law of religious garb. It's Ottawa stifling Canadians, using an unelected woke panel of judges to achieve their goal.
If I didn't have family in On, I would hightail it to AB (where the leader actually works for her people and is intelligent and strong), or I'd go to the USA with my American spouse. Canada has been captured by a detrimental climate scamming ideology, with heavy influence from the UN and WEF. From massive immigration of low skill people at odds with our values, to crushing development and trade of of large LNG/OIL resources, getting rid of red tape and putting into place incentives for outside investment, the Liberals have hamstrung this country so that we may soon become Venezuela.
This latest attempt to strike down Notwithstanding will hasten the break-up of this country. Maybe that was the plan.
This is a Big shocker. Ottawa is attacking Quebec. And it is a shocker that Ottawa is trying to force this issue, at this time. Liberals are a minority, and Canada has other priorities. Clearly, Ottawa is not controlled by people who want Canada to be successful, rather Canada is controlled by people who want slow mass immigration, controlled economic decline, and gradual destruction of the Canadian society. If the S court does not respect the provinces rights under the constitution, then Canada is done.
Canada is already done. Has been for several years now. The commies just hadn't got all their cards in alignment.
Not helpful, Logan.
Either is hiding from the truth Joe.
I'm 76, lived all my life in Canada, east and west, I think I know the truth. Not hiding from anything, Lorne.🫡
Joe. I am 84 and lived in 7 of the 10 and I have a problem and perhaps you can give me some advice.
- I do not want the Feds to have any more power over our lives. Their bungling and trying to jam a country as complex as Canada into a shoe box of their making. Trudeau has done irreparable damage to the country.
- This fellow Carney is faced with the task of trying to make some sense out of this circus. We have a collection of differing political factions and
groups all with legal positions that are so far at odds with each other that I doubt they can be made to work if they stay. the same. We have Mr. Eby in BC who will not allow pipelines, tankers off the coast, We have Ms. Smith in Alberta who is completely opposed to the position of Mr. Eby, we have Mr. Moe who is aligned with Ms SMith, we have Mr. Ford and I have no idea what he is doing then we have our friends in the East who have t heir own agenda and political power. then to top it all off we have many many native groups all different again with heredity Chiefs and Elected Chiefs all different.
-All of these groups can and do maintain a virtual veto and our Canada is for all intent ungovernable.
I do not want the Feds to have more power but on the other hand I do not want each and ever fiefdom to stymie the development of our country.
O me O my whatever shall we do?.
Carny is part of the problem. He has not done much to help Canada. Eleven trips to get a trade deal and nothing to show for it. He was Trudeau’s advisor and helped create this mess.
I am sure Logan feels the same way and doesn’t appreciate your criticism of or permission for his views Joe. At 76 you should know better.
Yes Lorne. It is something that I have been pondering over for a long time, like many others. I try to see through what we see in the news reports of here and the world. And what relation they have to this country. But mostly what is going on with the Feds. And what I see is sickening. When I make comments on here, I do it to try to pry people's eye's open to where we are standing, as to what I believe. No one has to except my points of view. but i won't hurt you to maybe ponder over them. And thanks for the statement Lorne. By the way, I'm 78.
At 76, I DO know better.
Quebec's Bill 21 is a testing ground. Quebec has the Charter right to have this bill. But Ottawa wants to control everything.
I suspect a back room deal in the making. Carney need Quebec to pass his budget. There must be a work around “Quebec is a country on its own” or so they keep reminding us. They don’t have to accept the Supreme Court decision?
No, he doesn’t need Quebec, all he needs are the NDP and the Green vote which is virtually guaranteed. The NDP can’t afford an election and are leaderless. The green cow will vote with the WEF.
The NDP is a socialist party, so OF COURSE they'll support the leftist Liberals! The ultimate goal of Carney's WEF pals is world domination with socialist governance and citizens under TOTALITARIAN RULE. The wealthy globalist ONE PERCENT want the world as their oyster and the rest of us peasants under 24-7 surveillance and financial enslavement. If you haven't read the Cloward-Piven Strategy NOW is the time to do so.
I wonder if it's ever crossed their minds that eventually, they'll have to pay the price for what they're doing?
I doubt it. They have no conscience. They only count money.
You are probably right but here’s hoping 🤞😂
Which essentially makes it a majority government.
a divorce with non stop alimony by the country. what a farce!
The Liberal Party of Canada takes another step to strengthen its authoritarian Regime.
Over the centuries, our justice system has evolved. We, the people, were supposed to be protected by the system and for the most part, we have been. Unfortunately, the political elites have found that inconvenient and are trying to change it. If we the people do not trust the most basic of protection, what are we to do?
War!
That i fear is what has to happen. Not that I want it too , but then maybe, yes maybe the constitution will change for the better of all citizens of Canada, not the elect few!
Not going to happen. Did you not see what the lieberals are doing in the Supreme Court. They are already trying to change the constitution in their favor, taking authority away from the provinces.
Yes I see them dirty underhanded S.O.B.'s. I do not like to use that language, but some times the words fit the character.
That is only if the provinces let it happen.
Alberta will not.
Alberta seceding is gonna happen and there is nothing Ottawa can do about that.
What can they do, send in the 5 man strong army?
I certainly hope that Smith can endure. But, I feel we aren't moving fast enough. I have no hope for a federal election soon. And even if there was I have no faith in the CPC making government. Any election is already bought and paid for, by our tax dollars.
Precisely! There is no other way. Same as respect, it's earned, not given.
Yes we do. But we have no one at this point ready to carry out that action.
It’s time for the provinces to stand together & stop this madness, they need to unite against Ottawa! Enough is Enough or a revolution of the people will happen & so it should! Fed up with Ottawa , I think there are enough Canadians who are willing to fight back! Justice & Judges in this country are a disgrace !
Unfortunately some provinces are already in lock-step with the federal government. Globalists abound. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
EBY & FORD = Carney's lapdogs. Both provinces under CCP influence/control. Sam Cooper's THE BUREAU has a plethora of fact based evidence proving the latter.
The same judges that think we have a charter right to bike lanes. What's next? Charter rights to free busses? Free food? Free citizenship? Free willy? Ridiculous.
These short sited liberals would cry like bitches if the courts overturned their laws.
Sean Fraser is an idiot. He screwed up immigration, housing and now he wants to wreck the one part of the charter that protects us from turds like him.
The Chief Justice describes his Supreme Court as “The most progressive in the world”. He thinks that is a compliment. That is frightening. No, the notwithstanding clause is the only thing we have left to protect ourselves against an increasingly activist elitist court that is out of touch with the thinking of most Canadians
This also has to be a case of obvious conflict of interest. The SCC is one of the courts, if not the most affected, by the Notwithstanding Clause. How can they be allowed to rule on limiting it or even effectively nullifying it? The various levels of government need to do something to prevent them having any say. There needs to a people's organization that stops the SCC from involvement. Oh, we have one, called Parliament and various legislatures that signed the Constitution. But we actually need something better, more direct.
As the article states we don't really have much of a democracy in Canada. Once a party gets elected they can do pretty much whatever they want. They as well need to be severely limited in what they do. For any major things, like recognizing a state, raising taxes, signing treaties, spending tax dollar buying pipelines, they should have to get direct permission from the people, issue by issue.
Nice idea, but not going to happen. As it is far to late for that now that we are under a communist rule regime. The full force is coming down, hang onto or wallet and your gun, if you have one.
We should have referendums like they do in Switzerland. Much more democratic as the people choose.
I meant idiots. Damn autocorrect.
We also need fair and equal voting across Canada based on Population. More MPs in the Atlantic Province than in Alberta?
Yes!!!
You mean a referendum for every important issue? That would be more democratic than the present system when it seems that a MP's role is more to represent the party to their constituents than representing their constituents to the party/government, when a MP has to vote along party line. Political parties might have killed democracy.
Many years ago a member of Parliament voted on a topic against the party line after discussing with his constituents. I think his name was Francis Regardless he was moved to the back bench by the party leader now obscure He tried and failed Maybe if there was no party designation all members independent and bring your constituents wishes to the floor then vote most votes wins Would that work?? maybe in theory
If every MP were independent, they would have to work for their constituents. It would definitely be more democratic. It would be more difficult to choose a PM and Cabinet, however politic would likely be more honest. How does it work in Nunavut?
Pretty much. We have enough laws, taxes, regulations, fees as is that to just run what is there should be easy. But if you want to make major changes, give away land, taxpayers money to companies, groups or other countries, sign treaties, then go direct to the people or you're not allowed. Don't care if it takes years. Almost nothing needs to be done in a big hurry anymore.
MANY government employees in high positions have Law degrees. They're the 'favoured' ones as they provide all the litigation research and advice when BILLS and ACTS are being written for approval. I'm certain most citizen's are unaware of this.
Why do we need a Federal Government ? They take from Conservative Provinces money, to give money to Non-Conservative Provinces for favours & re-elected. Creating Welfare dependance instead of working .
The West can't leave soon Enough !
It's simple, really: the govt and courts will take whatever decision results in the most power for themselves.
"Ottawa is asking the Supreme Court to limit when provinces can use this clause, arguing it can be misused."
awww...look at that!!..Ottawa is just trying to protect us!!...(Cover yer nuts!!!)
Notice they don't want the court to stop them from using it.
Caught that too, huh??...sly buncha pencil-dicks, aren't they??
A big move for a takeover by the WEF. The backfire is the breakup of Canada. Our Supremes are the equivilent of the mallahs in Iran. They dress funny and proclaim reality to be stood on it's head. If this passes, it's over. Canada will be history.
There are some powerful forces at work. All intent on changing the world at out expense.
Let the taxpayers decide by ballot rather than allowing any politicians or judges to decide on what will affect the people but have little repercussions on the politicians or the judges
Once again one of our so called supreme leaders trying to destroy the rights of the people by using the courts to back up Liberal ideas of more control! The Liberals have caused enough damage to Canada and it is time to replace them and their ideas of total control of every citizen and democracy!
WE the people should have control over the Judicial system & the governments...!!!
At the moment you would have to move to the States for that.
The lieberals and their judges are out to close the loop holes for their communist regime. You will obey, and you will be happy. The con man knows when to push, when he has a majority. The CPC will always be sitting in the opposition side, as they have no know how or the guts to do what needs doing to save this busted landscape. And so the lieberals will live happily ever after. Their plan is near completion.
Canadians made a huge mistake in the last election. People did not do their due diligence before casting a vote for Carny. They just listened to Carny and the CBC. Both constantly sang the praises of Carny and people were tired of JT. We will pay the price now.
Diets all for voting liberal. As my husband says, we got screwed and didn't even enjoy it.
I meant idiots. Effing autocorrect.
Yes you canadians made a mistake, or should I say you were brain washed. But the western provinces did not make a mistake, nor were brain washed. But as always the canadians hold the voting power. And we are forced to go along for the ride.
If the SCC strikes down the Notwithstanding, 5 provinces will start the process to leave confederation. This clause is a foundation of our charter and the provinces should have been consulted, not the SCC. AB is already passing a Bill 1, which gives them the right to not enforce any federal law they judge is detrimental to the AB charter of rights and freedom. Good for them!
This liberal gov't has been trying to censor speech just as Britain does with penalties of prison, huge fines or even losing access to the internet and cell phones. WHO the hell do these authoritarian mediocre (being generous!) officials think they are? Way too much over-reach and power. This is about much more than QC's law of religious garb. It's Ottawa stifling Canadians, using an unelected woke panel of judges to achieve their goal.
If I didn't have family in On, I would hightail it to AB (where the leader actually works for her people and is intelligent and strong), or I'd go to the USA with my American spouse. Canada has been captured by a detrimental climate scamming ideology, with heavy influence from the UN and WEF. From massive immigration of low skill people at odds with our values, to crushing development and trade of of large LNG/OIL resources, getting rid of red tape and putting into place incentives for outside investment, the Liberals have hamstrung this country so that we may soon become Venezuela.
This latest attempt to strike down Notwithstanding will hasten the break-up of this country. Maybe that was the plan.