Canada’s push to have land acknowledgements read before public events became the butt of a joke between two of America’s most popular comedians on a recent episode of The Joe Rogan Experience.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I have yet to hear of any FN event beginning with an acknowledgement of the tremendous benefits of the European colonists' medical knowledge and technology, freely shared, without which, not to mention the Pax Britannica, they would likely be extinct by now from starvation, disease, inbreeding, and inter-tribal conflict.
Agree whole heartedly. The First Nations were starving during winters and involved in killing each other. Settlers taught them basic farming skills so they could survive winters. There were subways already in Europe when the first “white” people came to Canada!
To give credit where credit's due, Lynda, some aboriginal societies, like those in the Quebec area did in fact help colonists to survive their first winters here. Same in the northeast US pilgrim colonies. It often worked both ways.
Pro tip: if you’re going to praise colonization for “saving” people from starvation and disease, don’t forget to mention the ships that brought the diseases in the first place, and the policies that turned thriving communities into marginalized ones. History’s messy — and your take leaves out the parts that don’t fit the fairy tale.
They weren't thriving communities first of all... and there wouldn't be millions of FN if they still had to hunt and fish to survive... there's not enough animals and they never knew how to fish for quantity...
We came, we seen and we conquered. Not the Chinese, they could have but no us White people. Do not like, offended then grow up and get over it you gutless wonders.
I would say “thriving communities” could be a stretch. History, to me is someone’s take on what transpired being there is no one left to back up the narrative. Records are scarce.
Hmm interesting. Since I'm not familiar with first nations history I asked chatgpt - here's what it said:
"First Nations were absolutely thriving before settlers arrived — just not in the European sense. They had complex societies, sustainable economies, and rich cultures adapted to their environments. Many had farming, trade networks spanning the continent, and advanced governance systems like the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. They lived sustainably, maintained good health, and managed resources wisely. Colonization and disease caused the collapse — not a lack of civilization or success beforehand."
Isn’ts it common knowledge that up to 90% of the indigenous population in the Americas was lost due to colonization? You think they would have gone to 100% and we, in fact, did them a favour.
There are still tribes in the world today (like the Sentinelese and numerous groups in the Amazon) that thrive without Western medicine, technology, or governance and have done so for longer than western society has existed.
The idea that FN would have gone extinct without colonization ignores evidence to the contrary my friend ...
Absent modern medicine those isolated groups would have life expectancies no better than pre-contact North American aboriginals which have been estimated at 30-40 years at best and 25-30 years at the low end. Compared to expectancies in today's developed world that's not exactly "thriving".
Yeah a joke, but not very funny to see how serious the consequences can be. Now they're telling homeowners in BC. to get ready because their land title is invalid and belongs to a tribe of indigenous people.
It's gone way too far, and the country is in decline.
Great observation! I actually avoid listening to these stupid things; play with my phone during them, talk, whatever I feel like. Anyone gives me the 'eye', they get the 'salute'. Worse now though, corporations do them at group meetings...like a friggin' cult of libtards.
It will take every voter East of Manitoba to suddenly have a heart attack and drop dead. Or, maybe more likely, Quebec will finally the Get the Fu** Out....then some semblance of 'normal' can start to return - but that too would require all the middle aged woman voters in Ontario who think "a banker with nice hair sure is a great leader" to still drop dead.
Sadly, you may be correct. These voters you mention are the same ones who voted for he-who-must-not-be-named. Simply because he had nice hair and fancy socks. They ignored his empty head.
It's still surprising to me that the few Liberal voters I talk to or get into any political discourse with, have so little real idea of what the Liberals have done to us. They epitomise the phrase "uninformed electorate". Maybe Canada is getting just what it deserves for being so laissez faire, or lazy, about politics.
It's mostly Quebec that keeps them in power. Along with the millions of immigrants who all vote Liberal. Quebec has the added advantage of having something called a BLOC Quebecois in our national parliament. That is truly a crime, perpetrated on us by another Liberal PM, Jean Chretien.
Very good points, James. Now, here in central east Alberta where I dwell ON MY OWN LITTLE PIECE OF LEGALLY OWNED LAND, I have learned that my province has treated our first nations very good. They mostly don't make giant land claims. They are happy to be educated and employed by whites and others. They benefit hugely from our 'colonial' system. They are ripped off only by their own band leaders, by the way.
Virtue-signalling i d i o t Trudeau was a disaster. Devious globalist Carney is a bigger disaster. Most of our judges are a disaster.
Maybe confederation as it is now is a disaster. Hence our real independence movement here.
I don't see how Alberta has any choice but independence. Canada - the one we grew up in - is over.
We are now run by the WEF and Klaus Schwab. All it took for him to gain control of Canada was to butter up that waste of oxygen called Trudeau. Very early in Trudeau's reign, Schwab called him one of the world's (and I am not making this up) "Fine, new, young leaders." Imagine the license that compliment gave to Trudeau - an arrogant, empty-headed narcissist to begin with. That statement from Schwab put Trudeau on steroids. This was the Klaus Scwab who stated that in this great, new Utopia they envisioned, "You will own nothing, and be happy". And Carny was already a senior WEF member, coaching and flattering our idiot Prince, Trudeau-the-Witless.
This first trial balloon at eliminating private property ownership is, as we speak, being floated in BC's courts. BC is of course, run by the New Dodo Party and David Eby who are so far left, they're approaching Canada's east coast. Don't let this mild approach - in one small province only - fool anyone. If we've learned nothing else from the WEF/Liberal/NDP Coalition, it's that they are relentless. Look at the years and money they've spent persecuting Chris and Tamara for public mischief. Look at the lengths they went to and the criminal acts they took in freezing bank accounts and seizing GoFundMe donations.Look at the multi-year and ongoing attempts to curtail free speech.
This pipe dream of eliminating private property is coming from a group of multi billionaires and trillionaires, who together, could likely afford to buy a new home for everyone on the planet. More and more, the WEF is beginning to resemble a society of super villains. We need James Bond.
Oops. I didn't mean to take this into a full-blown rant. Sorry, mea culpa😁
Me too. Although my name doesn't start with a Mac, I am Scottish through and through. My Great, great .... some number, grandfather emigrated from Glasgow to Fredericton back in the 1600's. My father (RIP) never let us forget that.
Indeed, war defines ownership...speaking of which, is it easier for Alberta to go to war with Eastern Canada than it is waiting for us to get votes proportional to our population?? Then we could build our economy on merit and markets....
Alberta 51... market for your energy resources, no Federal taxes and no State taxes, although you'd get such an influx of Sane Canadians wanting to leave their WOKE Provinces it might drive up the cost of housing..
I'm hoping for it alberta 51 too. Living in BC we can shut down the tmx and stop sending oil to the communist regime in China that conservatives love to support.
Sorry but the Libtards are the Communist Chinese lovers... Trudeau saying he admires the Chinese and Trudeau #2 can't elbows up Trump so he's kissing up to the Communists who have already slapped tariff's on Canada
Living as I did in London, England, I was always mindful that as someone with Norman blood in his veins (only a small amount, but who’s counting) I was living on land that had been stolen from its Anglo-Saxon owners. But then as someone with Anglo-Saxon blood in his veins (quite a lot this time) I was living on land that had been stolen from its Celtic owners, who themselves had stolen it from the original Ancient Britons, whoever they may have been. And I’ve left out the Norse (Vikings) and the Romans who probably owned the land at some time or other in the past. So who did I actually steal the land from?
I have been keeping that in mind. What gets me is europeans have put down canadians for miss treating the indian. Yet we give them multi billions each year. Maybe Europe should do a little looking in the mirror. When will England give their land back to the originals. The europeans who came to this land took it over laid claim to it. And like any other country have held it and have the right to fight for it. If not, then jump on the first ship out.
The royal family actually got started by thugs and con artists and thieves who weilded the biggest stick away back when. Now that some aboriginal activists in our own country see us with the biggest stick (the same principle they used on their own neighbors centuries ago), they are getting pissed off. Too bad ... it's payback I guess.
I would be ok with an acknowledgment of the colonizers who developed the land and civilized the Indians. Sir John A should be acknowledged for feeding them and keeping them alive even though the Liberal opposition were dead against supporting the Indians and giving them 320 acres each to farm. In retrospect the nomads couldn’t adapt to working the soil and had to be fed or left to die.
Went to my swearing in to become a member of the Royal Canadian Legion. The meeting started with the phony land acknowledgement totally blew me away. Armed forces veterans that fought for freedom apologizing to natives sad, never been back.
I had served in the army with numerous native fellow soldiers who were very content and just as good as any of us. Course that was in the 60s and 70s. We have come a long way. Glad I never joined the Legion....
Let’s see how many people will get off their legally purchased, land paid for with hard work sacrifice, when push comes to shove…get out the bows and arrows baby..
This " stolen land " is a noxious myth. Nothing true about it. Even 'treaty land' is untrue. Treaties should never have been made with anyone. They have no basis in logic.
I can give you a list as long as your arm of aboriginal names (I refuse to stoop to the ethereal word indigenous) of native leaders of the past who claimed they never owned any land. They said it all belonged to God, or the Great Spirit or Manitou or whoever their creator was named. This is ALL woke activist garbage through and through. No first nation tribe ever claimed outright land ownership. I repeat, none of them did. They in fact simply battled for territorial 'rights' for their zones of occupation, and practiced savage slavery to get it, but never said they owned it. The strongest tribes or clans prevailed. That's not taught in schools amymore. But... how dare colonists make the same claim!
Student protestors my rats rear end! It's interesting how these stupid activists claim they think they live on stolen land but yet continue to live there. I guess they are happy being life-long thieves?
The judge who made this ludicrous ruling needs to be ignored and kicked out. Or told to get off her throne, as it may 'sit on occupied land'. Gimme a break, you morons.
Did the FN really think that a culture that was 2000 years behind the world leaders would remain secluded forever... they should just be thankful it wasn't the Spanish that conquered North America
No land was "stolen". A stronger, more advanced, more aggressive, better armed culture simply came and assumed possession of the territory. Initially these were trappers, then "colonists", then immigrants. The natives benefited from trade with the fur trappers. No complaints there.
This has happened for tens of thousands of years, and was happening before humans evolved. Cavemen, did it in their search for bigger caves and a better food source for their increasing families. Even Canadian Native did it, attacking other Tribes to gain power or better hunting and trapping grounds, and grabbing a few horses and weapons plus children and females as slaves while they were at it.
Apes, lions, elephants, rodents, crocodiles, elk, rabbits and even plants do the same. Look at invasive species such as Blackberries or weeds. They are aggressive and overpower the local vegetation. Nothing is "ceded" or stolen, it is taken.
Do we hear of Native appreciation for health care, education, vehicles, utilities, housing, groceries, cell phones, clothing, outboard motors on aluminum boats? Nope. Just whining.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I have yet to hear of any FN event beginning with an acknowledgement of the tremendous benefits of the European colonists' medical knowledge and technology, freely shared, without which, not to mention the Pax Britannica, they would likely be extinct by now from starvation, disease, inbreeding, and inter-tribal conflict.
Agree whole heartedly. The First Nations were starving during winters and involved in killing each other. Settlers taught them basic farming skills so they could survive winters. There were subways already in Europe when the first “white” people came to Canada!
To give credit where credit's due, Lynda, some aboriginal societies, like those in the Quebec area did in fact help colonists to survive their first winters here. Same in the northeast US pilgrim colonies. It often worked both ways.
But this is about land ownership principles.
EXCELLENT point, Ruth. I tell my south Indian wife the same about how the British did far more god for India than anyone else. God knows his purposes.
Ruthie,
Pro tip: if you’re going to praise colonization for “saving” people from starvation and disease, don’t forget to mention the ships that brought the diseases in the first place, and the policies that turned thriving communities into marginalized ones. History’s messy — and your take leaves out the parts that don’t fit the fairy tale.
They weren't thriving communities first of all... and there wouldn't be millions of FN if they still had to hunt and fish to survive... there's not enough animals and they never knew how to fish for quantity...
Pro tip, a stone aged culture made up of warring tribes living off the resources of the land is not a thriving culture.
Revisionist
We came, we seen and we conquered. Not the Chinese, they could have but no us White people. Do not like, offended then grow up and get over it you gutless wonders.
Can you elaborate on what exactly is incorrect from Jacob's comment?
I would say “thriving communities” could be a stretch. History, to me is someone’s take on what transpired being there is no one left to back up the narrative. Records are scarce.
Hmm interesting. Since I'm not familiar with first nations history I asked chatgpt - here's what it said:
"First Nations were absolutely thriving before settlers arrived — just not in the European sense. They had complex societies, sustainable economies, and rich cultures adapted to their environments. Many had farming, trade networks spanning the continent, and advanced governance systems like the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. They lived sustainably, maintained good health, and managed resources wisely. Colonization and disease caused the collapse — not a lack of civilization or success beforehand."
Sounds like the left had some inroads into the AI data.
Isn’ts it common knowledge that up to 90% of the indigenous population in the Americas was lost due to colonization? You think they would have gone to 100% and we, in fact, did them a favour.
The people that survived for thousands of years would be extinct?
There are still tribes in the world today (like the Sentinelese and numerous groups in the Amazon) that thrive without Western medicine, technology, or governance and have done so for longer than western society has existed.
The idea that FN would have gone extinct without colonization ignores evidence to the contrary my friend ...
Do you mean thrive or hang on in a diminishing way?
Absent modern medicine those isolated groups would have life expectancies no better than pre-contact North American aboriginals which have been estimated at 30-40 years at best and 25-30 years at the low end. Compared to expectancies in today's developed world that's not exactly "thriving".
This whole thing is a joke, sadly it is causing division with people, most likely it's intended purpose.
Yeah a joke, but not very funny to see how serious the consequences can be. Now they're telling homeowners in BC. to get ready because their land title is invalid and belongs to a tribe of indigenous people.
It's gone way too far, and the country is in decline.
Canada is "in decline" is far too polite!
Indeed, more like Kanada is drowning in pool of cow manure 30' feet and we're currently up to our nostrils.
That's not helpful, Marion.
She is right
Great observation! I actually avoid listening to these stupid things; play with my phone during them, talk, whatever I feel like. Anyone gives me the 'eye', they get the 'salute'. Worse now though, corporations do them at group meetings...like a friggin' cult of libtards.
Imagine justifying intensely rude behaviour just because you're asked to listen to some words. 🙄
How so, Jacob? We're truly strong and free. Our biggest industries here employ the majority of first nations peoples.
Even in this post-Trudeau era, Canada continues to be an international laughingstock.
How long will it take for this disease he inflicted on us to be flushed from our system?
"Embarrassing" is no longer adequate.
It will take every voter East of Manitoba to suddenly have a heart attack and drop dead. Or, maybe more likely, Quebec will finally the Get the Fu** Out....then some semblance of 'normal' can start to return - but that too would require all the middle aged woman voters in Ontario who think "a banker with nice hair sure is a great leader" to still drop dead.
Sadly, you may be correct. These voters you mention are the same ones who voted for he-who-must-not-be-named. Simply because he had nice hair and fancy socks. They ignored his empty head.
It's still surprising to me that the few Liberal voters I talk to or get into any political discourse with, have so little real idea of what the Liberals have done to us. They epitomise the phrase "uninformed electorate". Maybe Canada is getting just what it deserves for being so laissez faire, or lazy, about politics.
It's mostly Quebec that keeps them in power. Along with the millions of immigrants who all vote Liberal. Quebec has the added advantage of having something called a BLOC Quebecois in our national parliament. That is truly a crime, perpetrated on us by another Liberal PM, Jean Chretien.
Very good points, James. Now, here in central east Alberta where I dwell ON MY OWN LITTLE PIECE OF LEGALLY OWNED LAND, I have learned that my province has treated our first nations very good. They mostly don't make giant land claims. They are happy to be educated and employed by whites and others. They benefit hugely from our 'colonial' system. They are ripped off only by their own band leaders, by the way.
Virtue-signalling i d i o t Trudeau was a disaster. Devious globalist Carney is a bigger disaster. Most of our judges are a disaster.
Maybe confederation as it is now is a disaster. Hence our real independence movement here.
I don't see how Alberta has any choice but independence. Canada - the one we grew up in - is over.
We are now run by the WEF and Klaus Schwab. All it took for him to gain control of Canada was to butter up that waste of oxygen called Trudeau. Very early in Trudeau's reign, Schwab called him one of the world's (and I am not making this up) "Fine, new, young leaders." Imagine the license that compliment gave to Trudeau - an arrogant, empty-headed narcissist to begin with. That statement from Schwab put Trudeau on steroids. This was the Klaus Scwab who stated that in this great, new Utopia they envisioned, "You will own nothing, and be happy". And Carny was already a senior WEF member, coaching and flattering our idiot Prince, Trudeau-the-Witless.
This first trial balloon at eliminating private property ownership is, as we speak, being floated in BC's courts. BC is of course, run by the New Dodo Party and David Eby who are so far left, they're approaching Canada's east coast. Don't let this mild approach - in one small province only - fool anyone. If we've learned nothing else from the WEF/Liberal/NDP Coalition, it's that they are relentless. Look at the years and money they've spent persecuting Chris and Tamara for public mischief. Look at the lengths they went to and the criminal acts they took in freezing bank accounts and seizing GoFundMe donations.Look at the multi-year and ongoing attempts to curtail free speech.
This pipe dream of eliminating private property is coming from a group of multi billionaires and trillionaires, who together, could likely afford to buy a new home for everyone on the planet. More and more, the WEF is beginning to resemble a society of super villains. We need James Bond.
Oops. I didn't mean to take this into a full-blown rant. Sorry, mea culpa😁
No apology necessary!!
Wow! I thought this conversation was about the fake aboriginal land claim narrative.
MCGAR - Make Canada Great Again Really - doesn’t give the right sound. I see the problem.
Canadians need to start booing land acknowledgements.
At events, that have our changed National Anthem ,the moment when "all of us " is sung I shoot loudly "SONS". I encourage this and also the booing .
Way ahead of you.
Brilliant sir. Well done.
I seen the name Macintosh. Beautiful Scottish name. I miss our heritage.
Me too. Although my name doesn't start with a Mac, I am Scottish through and through. My Great, great .... some number, grandfather emigrated from Glasgow to Fredericton back in the 1600's. My father (RIP) never let us forget that.
Argyle Go Bragh!
Damn, I wish I'd thought of that....thank you for the idea sir!
So if 27% of poll respondents believe they’re living on stolen land, why are they living on it?
If they had any integrity wouldn’t they move?
The Samurai defined what they should do.....
The samurai had integrity though
Virtue signaling apparently bears no real consequences.
Sadly no it doesn’t.
It's not stolen land. I was fought for and won. Just like every piece of land on earth.
Indeed, war defines ownership...speaking of which, is it easier for Alberta to go to war with Eastern Canada than it is waiting for us to get votes proportional to our population?? Then we could build our economy on merit and markets....
Alberta 51... market for your energy resources, no Federal taxes and no State taxes, although you'd get such an influx of Sane Canadians wanting to leave their WOKE Provinces it might drive up the cost of housing..
I'm hoping for it alberta 51 too. Living in BC we can shut down the tmx and stop sending oil to the communist regime in China that conservatives love to support.
Sorry but the Libtards are the Communist Chinese lovers... Trudeau saying he admires the Chinese and Trudeau #2 can't elbows up Trump so he's kissing up to the Communists who have already slapped tariff's on Canada
If we build them, they will come.
Living as I did in London, England, I was always mindful that as someone with Norman blood in his veins (only a small amount, but who’s counting) I was living on land that had been stolen from its Anglo-Saxon owners. But then as someone with Anglo-Saxon blood in his veins (quite a lot this time) I was living on land that had been stolen from its Celtic owners, who themselves had stolen it from the original Ancient Britons, whoever they may have been. And I’ve left out the Norse (Vikings) and the Romans who probably owned the land at some time or other in the past. So who did I actually steal the land from?
I have been keeping that in mind. What gets me is europeans have put down canadians for miss treating the indian. Yet we give them multi billions each year. Maybe Europe should do a little looking in the mirror. When will England give their land back to the originals. The europeans who came to this land took it over laid claim to it. And like any other country have held it and have the right to fight for it. If not, then jump on the first ship out.
Ha! Thank you, Roger.
The royal family actually got started by thugs and con artists and thieves who weilded the biggest stick away back when. Now that some aboriginal activists in our own country see us with the biggest stick (the same principle they used on their own neighbors centuries ago), they are getting pissed off. Too bad ... it's payback I guess.
I would be ok with an acknowledgment of the colonizers who developed the land and civilized the Indians. Sir John A should be acknowledged for feeding them and keeping them alive even though the Liberal opposition were dead against supporting the Indians and giving them 320 acres each to farm. In retrospect the nomads couldn’t adapt to working the soil and had to be fed or left to die.
Went to my swearing in to become a member of the Royal Canadian Legion. The meeting started with the phony land acknowledgement totally blew me away. Armed forces veterans that fought for freedom apologizing to natives sad, never been back.
I had served in the army with numerous native fellow soldiers who were very content and just as good as any of us. Course that was in the 60s and 70s. We have come a long way. Glad I never joined the Legion....
Let’s see how many people will get off their legally purchased, land paid for with hard work sacrifice, when push comes to shove…get out the bows and arrows baby..
If I was forced off, I'd make sure the place was burned down.
Watch it the activists would do a rain dance on your ashes...
Let them, it won't help them.
Don’t laugh, I’ve heard of people doing just that very thing.
Yep. That ain't gonna happen.
I hope they're telling new arrivals that they are immigrating onto stolen land and they should feel bad about it and maybe think about giving it back.
Why don’t those who believe they live on stolen land, give it back? That would be the logical conclusion. If they don’t, do they really believe it?
Janet.... but they are not logical so can't come to that conclusion.
This " stolen land " is a noxious myth. Nothing true about it. Even 'treaty land' is untrue. Treaties should never have been made with anyone. They have no basis in logic.
I can give you a list as long as your arm of aboriginal names (I refuse to stoop to the ethereal word indigenous) of native leaders of the past who claimed they never owned any land. They said it all belonged to God, or the Great Spirit or Manitou or whoever their creator was named. This is ALL woke activist garbage through and through. No first nation tribe ever claimed outright land ownership. I repeat, none of them did. They in fact simply battled for territorial 'rights' for their zones of occupation, and practiced savage slavery to get it, but never said they owned it. The strongest tribes or clans prevailed. That's not taught in schools amymore. But... how dare colonists make the same claim!
Student protestors my rats rear end! It's interesting how these stupid activists claim they think they live on stolen land but yet continue to live there. I guess they are happy being life-long thieves?
The judge who made this ludicrous ruling needs to be ignored and kicked out. Or told to get off her throne, as it may 'sit on occupied land'. Gimme a break, you morons.
If you look at Band Offices in BC most say Indian Band.
Did the FN really think that a culture that was 2000 years behind the world leaders would remain secluded forever... they should just be thankful it wasn't the Spanish that conquered North America
And now Canadians are being forced to “give back” the land in BC and elsewhere. Where does this end? Nowhere good!
No land was "stolen". A stronger, more advanced, more aggressive, better armed culture simply came and assumed possession of the territory. Initially these were trappers, then "colonists", then immigrants. The natives benefited from trade with the fur trappers. No complaints there.
This has happened for tens of thousands of years, and was happening before humans evolved. Cavemen, did it in their search for bigger caves and a better food source for their increasing families. Even Canadian Native did it, attacking other Tribes to gain power or better hunting and trapping grounds, and grabbing a few horses and weapons plus children and females as slaves while they were at it.
Apes, lions, elephants, rodents, crocodiles, elk, rabbits and even plants do the same. Look at invasive species such as Blackberries or weeds. They are aggressive and overpower the local vegetation. Nothing is "ceded" or stolen, it is taken.
Do we hear of Native appreciation for health care, education, vehicles, utilities, housing, groceries, cell phones, clothing, outboard motors on aluminum boats? Nope. Just whining.
Good luck. Natives have been trained to be victims.