Bloc Quebecois leader, Yves-Francoise Blanchet accused Carney of “hiding from the media”, and “copying conservative policies”, in a speech that followed Carney’s decision to skip the TVA debate.
I can't say I agree with you Sam. Stealing your opponent's plans and rewriting them a bit to make them look like your idea is pretty low. I personally think it just adds more doubt as to Carney's true intentions. In the leadership debate he indicated he would agree with pipelines, etc. Now he has stated that he plans on keeping Bill C-69. There have too many inconsistencies and some of his statements have not been explained. Carney scares the hell out of me.
Curious if the author of this post has any analysis beyond sharing what the Bloc leader is accusing Carney of ? Do you see evidence that he’s copying conservative policy? If so is that an inherently bad thing ? What are the ramifications ?
Some analysis would be appreciated with pieces like this, so that we can begin to discuss and go beyond what the politicians say.
As an example Liberals have gone from chastising Polievre in the house for.. cancel Carbon tax, and build up the military…
To Carney talking about canceling the carbon tax, and beefing up the military..
Heck even attack ads are accusing Conservatives of doing what the Liberals are doing. (Refusing reporters access, Reducing the military in the last term they were in office)
I’d say anyone that’s been watching the last two weeks have supporting observations to the Statements made by the Block.
The liberal leader has changed therefore the policy approach has changed.
My question is why is it bad that he’s adopting some conservative policies? Is that not what we all want? Politicians who drive to the center and pick the best policies regardless of what side of the spectrum they originate from?
True, but when it's a clear flipflop to gain votes, as the carbon tax clearly is/was, it's an attempt to steal thunder. Especially since, in that case it's gone today and will be back post-election as a spray coating on everything we use.
I prefer someone who speaks and acts with integrity.
Hmm. I can see your point but I'd also challenge the notion for Carney on two points:
1. He was not the leader of the liberal party previously, nor was he in politics. So I don't think he's flip flopped. But the party has, so your point is well taken there.
2. The idea that all politicians have to have the same opinion forever and never change is a fools errand and not what I think we want to encourage. I'd also argue that the conservatives have flip flopped all over the place on issues many times before - point being that neither party or candidate are immune to changing their opinion when the political winds are advantageous for them to do so.
All that being said, if it's a matter of trust in their conviction then I can't speak to that and I don't think many others can when it comes to Carney since his political career is so short and therefore there's not a lot of prior work to base an opinion off of.
No it’s not what we all want. I have to go on consistently… the Conservatives have consistently been working on this. And have a thought out plan that they can explain.
Liberals have consistently been attacking that plan. The change bodes well to support consistency in prior elections, where Liberals have rolled back policies they had during the election and move forward the agendas they had before the election into priority after the election is over.
I think what we “all want” is change. We will not get that with the same core leadership and a new face, who was an advisor to that old leadership.
There is a saying. “Fool Me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Shane on me.” I wonder what you get at Fool me four times? I for one don’t want to find out.
I think "consistently working on this" is a stretch - considering they haven't actually had a chance to govern federally for 10 years. They've said a lot of things at the federal level but when put in charge of provincial governments they seem to not implement those policies OR realize the fallacy in some of their criticisms.
I agree we all want and need change - no argument there. I agree that Carney's cabinet is also not much of a departure from the previous administration. That being said, we all know and believe (at least I do) that leaders are who are end accountable for a government's decisions and actions. Carney is not Trudeau - I think his immediate departure from many of Trudeau's policies should immediately show us all that.
Doesn't mean you have to support him, but I would just push us all to actually look beyond the rhetoric of the parties and begin analyzing the actions of the NEW liberal leader and decide for ourselves on if he's a Trudeau 2.0 or something different. Otherwise I feel like we all just vote based on political talking points and lose our ability to vote for our best interests, not politicians best interests.
Well I’m a free thinking Canadian. So I do t think this way because of “rhetoric” the problem is the “rhetoric” supports my personal observations.
Carneys has consistently advised the opposite of what he claims he is doing. In Britain and Canada. He has been very vocal on the issue and now…?
Let’s quote Carneys himself….
“If your going to a banker for political advice you have a problem”
As for the Conservatives Agenda. They have been advising this route consistently and have been begging the Liberals to govern this way. And been snubbed for it.
Liberals had years since COVID to make these changes. Just prior to an election is too late for me to trust it.
That’s totally fair. Issue of trust is huge when it comes to the liberals. I think you and anyone else are totally in the right to say they need to earn your trust back - changing the leader isn’t sufficient.
I can't say I agree with you Sam. Stealing your opponent's plans and rewriting them a bit to make them look like your idea is pretty low. I personally think it just adds more doubt as to Carney's true intentions. In the leadership debate he indicated he would agree with pipelines, etc. Now he has stated that he plans on keeping Bill C-69. There have too many inconsistencies and some of his statements have not been explained. Carney scares the hell out of me.
Why is Juno News disappearing the People's Party of Canada and Maxime Bernier?
Is this a policy from the Conservative Party of Canada? Please speak to this. If you don't, your credibility will disappear as fast as it rose...
Curious if the author of this post has any analysis beyond sharing what the Bloc leader is accusing Carney of ? Do you see evidence that he’s copying conservative policy? If so is that an inherently bad thing ? What are the ramifications ?
Some analysis would be appreciated with pieces like this, so that we can begin to discuss and go beyond what the politicians say.
As an example Liberals have gone from chastising Polievre in the house for.. cancel Carbon tax, and build up the military…
To Carney talking about canceling the carbon tax, and beefing up the military..
Heck even attack ads are accusing Conservatives of doing what the Liberals are doing. (Refusing reporters access, Reducing the military in the last term they were in office)
I’d say anyone that’s been watching the last two weeks have supporting observations to the Statements made by the Block.
The liberal leader has changed therefore the policy approach has changed.
My question is why is it bad that he’s adopting some conservative policies? Is that not what we all want? Politicians who drive to the center and pick the best policies regardless of what side of the spectrum they originate from?
True, but when it's a clear flipflop to gain votes, as the carbon tax clearly is/was, it's an attempt to steal thunder. Especially since, in that case it's gone today and will be back post-election as a spray coating on everything we use.
I prefer someone who speaks and acts with integrity.
Hmm. I can see your point but I'd also challenge the notion for Carney on two points:
1. He was not the leader of the liberal party previously, nor was he in politics. So I don't think he's flip flopped. But the party has, so your point is well taken there.
2. The idea that all politicians have to have the same opinion forever and never change is a fools errand and not what I think we want to encourage. I'd also argue that the conservatives have flip flopped all over the place on issues many times before - point being that neither party or candidate are immune to changing their opinion when the political winds are advantageous for them to do so.
All that being said, if it's a matter of trust in their conviction then I can't speak to that and I don't think many others can when it comes to Carney since his political career is so short and therefore there's not a lot of prior work to base an opinion off of.
No it’s not what we all want. I have to go on consistently… the Conservatives have consistently been working on this. And have a thought out plan that they can explain.
Liberals have consistently been attacking that plan. The change bodes well to support consistency in prior elections, where Liberals have rolled back policies they had during the election and move forward the agendas they had before the election into priority after the election is over.
I think what we “all want” is change. We will not get that with the same core leadership and a new face, who was an advisor to that old leadership.
There is a saying. “Fool Me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Shane on me.” I wonder what you get at Fool me four times? I for one don’t want to find out.
I think "consistently working on this" is a stretch - considering they haven't actually had a chance to govern federally for 10 years. They've said a lot of things at the federal level but when put in charge of provincial governments they seem to not implement those policies OR realize the fallacy in some of their criticisms.
I agree we all want and need change - no argument there. I agree that Carney's cabinet is also not much of a departure from the previous administration. That being said, we all know and believe (at least I do) that leaders are who are end accountable for a government's decisions and actions. Carney is not Trudeau - I think his immediate departure from many of Trudeau's policies should immediately show us all that.
Doesn't mean you have to support him, but I would just push us all to actually look beyond the rhetoric of the parties and begin analyzing the actions of the NEW liberal leader and decide for ourselves on if he's a Trudeau 2.0 or something different. Otherwise I feel like we all just vote based on political talking points and lose our ability to vote for our best interests, not politicians best interests.
Well I’m a free thinking Canadian. So I do t think this way because of “rhetoric” the problem is the “rhetoric” supports my personal observations.
Carneys has consistently advised the opposite of what he claims he is doing. In Britain and Canada. He has been very vocal on the issue and now…?
Let’s quote Carneys himself….
“If your going to a banker for political advice you have a problem”
As for the Conservatives Agenda. They have been advising this route consistently and have been begging the Liberals to govern this way. And been snubbed for it.
Liberals had years since COVID to make these changes. Just prior to an election is too late for me to trust it.
That’s totally fair. Issue of trust is huge when it comes to the liberals. I think you and anyone else are totally in the right to say they need to earn your trust back - changing the leader isn’t sufficient.
This has to be parody right.😉
How do you see it as a parody?